ChrisTrains Stadler GTW

Thanks SteuerwagenSchmiede that's what I suspected. Everything else in your description matches how I've always had PZB. I can make the change to remove the voice - that will be a nice improvement for sure. I've also had a couple of Dutch drivers confirm this in a discord chat - they drive across the border with PZB so they're good sources of information for me too.

Zitat von KiDmorbid

This was an example for the incorrectness.

It's correct like your said:

Every time when you hit the acknowledge button it should make this beep noise independent from 1000 hz magnet.

As I said it's correct in the RS1 and Flirt 3.

Ok perfect - thanks for clarifying

Zitat von ChrisTrains

In Switzerland it *looks* like they have one UIC code for the entire multiple unit.

According to Wikipedia:

Zitat von Wikipedia

Bei den Triebzügen der SBB wird die fünfte Ziffer der TSI-Nummer als Zähler für die einzelnen Wageneinheiten verwendet, während der Triebzug als ganzes die Ziffer 0 erhält. Dieses Prinzip gilt auch für die historischen Triebzüge der SBB, z. B. den RAe TEE^II:

• Triebzug als solcher: 94 85 0 591 053-9
• vorderer Endwagen: 94 85 1 591 053-7
• Zwischenwagen: 94 85 3 591 053-3
• Speisewagen: 94 85 4 591 053-1
• Maschinenwagen: 94 85 5 591 053-8
• Zwischenwagen: 94 85 6 591 053-6
• hinterer Endwagen: 94 85 2 591 053-5

The fact that the control digit is the same in your example seems to be a coincidence.

Edit: I assume it is the code for the whole EMU that is displayed on both front sides (i. e. the number in the first bullet point quoted above).

Apparently Thurbo doesn‘t apply that system, at least not on their GTWs. They have a unique UIC code for the whole multiple unit, but not for its parts.

You are right Meleo :

Eisenbahn-Fahrzeugregister - Bundesamt für Verkehr BAV

Zitat von Meleo

Apparently Thurbo doesn‘t apply that system, at least not on their GTWs. They have a unique UIC code for the whole multiple unit, but not for its parts.

Ok that's great - I was 95% sure this was the case but thanks for looking into this. It's a huge help.

FortyCS

Das, was du markiert hast, hat gar nichts mit meiner Aussage zu tun. Denn bei anderen Triebwagen wird, wenn du mit der Null an fünfter Stelle suchst, genau dasselbe stehen.

FortyCS

I think I understand now.

So unit 755-4 would have 94 85 7526 755-4 CH-THB written on the outside of both end wagons - this is sort of the "whole train code".

BUT the ACTUAL UIC codes would probably be:

A wagon (driving car front): 94 85 1526 755-7

D wagon (middle passenger): 94 85 3526 755-3

C wagon (motor): 94 85 5526 755-8

B wagon (driving car rear): 94 85 6526 755-2

Does that make sense?

You can see the external UIC codes and train numbers in this video really clearly:

If i understand it correctly,every train has just one number, e.g. 526 701-8 (94 85 7526 701-8).

SBB: RABe 526/7 - SpotLog

ChrisTrains

It is stated in the Wikipedia article that mainly the SBB uses that system. That system came into effect with new trains around 2008, refurbished trains followed later.

Thurbo does not apply that system with their GTWs. They have one number only.

Zitat von Meleo

ChrisTrains

It is stated in the Wikipedia article that mainly the SBB uses that system. That system came into effect with new trains around 2008, refurbished trains followed later.

Thurbo does not apply that system with their GTWs. They have one number only.

Ok perfect - that's what I need to know. Thank you so much !

I do have another question. For the S Bahn lines, do the trains ever show intermediate stations? For example the S8 line from Schaffhausen to St Johann. Would the sign on the front of the train show any intermediate stations like Romanshorn?

Or would I just put the main stations as listed here : https://www.thurbo.ch/fileadmi…ennetzplanThurbo-2022.pdf

For example S2 would only have Altstatten SG and Nesslau-Neu St. Johann?

For example S2 would just be

For reference this is the current list:

Extrazug

Dienstzug

Probefahrt

Nicht einsteigen

Geschlossen

S1 St. Gallen

S1 Wil

S2 St. Gallen

S2 Altstätten SG

S3 St. Gallen

S3 Herisau

S3 St. Margrethen

S4 Altstätten SG

S4 Buchs SG

S4 Nesslau

S4 Sargans

S4 St. Gallen

S4 Wattwil

S5 Weinfelden

S5 St. Gallen

S5 Bischofszeil

S6 Rapperswil

S6 Linthal

S7 Rorschach

S7 Weinfelden

S7 Romanshorn

S8 Schaffhausen

S8 Nesslau-Neu St. Johann

S8 St. Gallen

S8 Kruezlingen

S8 Romanshorn

S8 Stein am Rhein

S9 Wil

S9 Wattwil

S10 Weinfelden

S10 Wil

S12 Chur

S12 Sargans

S14 Konstanz

S14 Weinfelden

S22 Bülach

S22 Schaffhausen

S22 Singen

S26 Bauma

S26 Rüti ZH

S26 Winterthur

S29 Stein am Rhein

S29 Winterthur

S30 Weinfelden

S30 Winterthur

S33 Schaffhausen

S33 Winterthur

S35 Wil

S35 Winterthur

S41 Bülach

S41 Waldshut

S41 Winterthur

S55 St. Gallen

S55 Weinfelden

S81 Herisau

S81 Wittenbach

Buchs SG

Sargans

Rorschach

Romanshorn

Ziegelbrücke

Pfäffikon SZ

Rapperswil

Landquart

S Wil

S St. Gallen

S Sargans

This destinatios you wrote, is good for the GTW

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do the trains ever show intermediate stations?

Your list should be fine, it always shows the final destination. The only case where “intermediate” stations are displayed is at the end of the day, when a train does not run the whole line anymore and stops for the night at a station in between, e. g. S2 St. Gallen or S2 Wattwil.

Ok - I'll keep the list as it is then and just add pre-setting for scenarios and AI trains

Wurde hier im Forum ja schon mehrmals diskutiert

ChrisTrains and SBB in 2024

Hallo zusammen,

das Update für den GTW ist ja nun erhältlich. Hat es schon wer getestet?

Gruß

bp77

Kann keinen Unterschied zur vorigen Version feststellen. Habe auch nirgends irgendetwas gefunden, das beschriebt, was da geändert wurde.

Na einiges wurde schon geändert,steht in release_notes text im GTW Ordner:

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========================= v3.0 Release Notes =========================

Mid-life update. IMPORTANT: THIS UPDATE WILL NOT WORK WITH OLD ROLLING-START

SCENARIOS, OR OLD REPAINTS / RESKINS. THERE ARE TOO MANY CHANGES IN THE BLUEPRINTS.

Art - Exterior / General

========================

- Migrated all 2012/2013 models up to 3ds Max 22 and re-linked all objects, recreated all animations and materials

- Fixed a gap in the windows on the Arriva Merwedelingelijn Abk1

- Removed white stripe from wheels

- Fixed a texture issue (fuzzy yellow line) on the nose of the ODEG Abk wagon

- Fixed the missing blocks in the windshield for the windshield heaters (external view only)

- New driver figure

- New scharfenberg coupler model and fixed the coupler geometry so the coupled version isn t mirrored

- New bogie and wheel geometry and textures

- New region-correct fonts and colours for the destination boards

- Fixed some axle decals

- New higher resolution window frame textures on the passenger windows

- Fully re-built UIC codes with consist numbers and names (where necessary) coded into every UIC code so they re now a common format across every version of the GTW DMU and EMU

- Two new names on the DMU Achterhoek versions

-- 10256 = PIET OUDOLF (letter W in the numbering convention)

-- 10370 = PIET MONDRIAAN (letter X in the numbering convention)

- One new name on the EMU Vechtdallijn version

-- 10525 = REINIER PAPING (letter O in the numbering convention)

- New Qbuzz EMU version

- New Blauwnet DMU version

- New Arriva Nevenlijnen Teal DMU version

- New Arriva Limburg DMU and EMU versions

Art - Cab

========================

- Made new texture for all warnings and buttons in the cabs to clean up the old, noisy buttons that were hard to read

- Made cabview windows less foggy

- Corrected the cab tempomaat / cruise display to be correct to the real train

- Added train number, clock and traction block indicator to the multi-function display

- Corrected cab MFD to use the correct font

- Higher resolution / new, clearer hand-created textures for cab displays and GSM-R

- Fixed the overhead lights and speakers in the cabviews. The speaker was originally a light and the lights were originally air vents. Oops!

- New illuminated instruments for night, and new more accurate desk reading lights

- Corrected one of the brake meters to now correctly read up to 12 bar

Art - Thurbo

============

- corrected the inside passenger door colour from red to dark grey

- corrected the shunting light to be the left light instead of the top light

- corrected the colour of some of the lights / buttons in the cab

- added new UIC codes to one side of each driving wagon

- removed a lot of screen information in the cab to comply with new SBB license conditions

Art - Capital Metro

===================

- updated external colours and swapped MAN power unit for DEUTZ

- added some geometry and texture changes, new brake lights, new side reflectors etc.

- 4 new destinations MvKalla, Broadmoor, Special Event, Do Not Board

- updated cabview to be much closer to the real thing with new geometry and textures, new bell control button, new brake lever

- added destination pre-setting

Art - ODEG

===================

- changed RB33 end station to Potsdam Hbf to reflect current schedules

Audio

=====

- Fixed a missing cross-linked pantograph sound from another train

- EMU engine ventilator audio now only plays when pantograph is up

- EMU pantograph sound modified so it shouldn't play every time the train comes into view

- Horn sounds re-done with loop points

- Miscellaneous bogie and wagon sound changes

- New control sounds for many of the cab controls, recorded from cab ride

- Moved the traction motor sound to the engine wagon instead of the passenger wagon (!)

- Removed the voices from the Thurbo PZB emulation

- New 'at speed' cab sound effect for general wind/rail noise, recorded from cab ride

- Removed the 'crash' sound and replaced it with a schafenberg coupler sound, for coupling

- New (irritating) cab wiper sounds

Blueprints

==========

- Excluded miscellaneous blueprints from the content browser (like smoke, lights, drivers etc)

- Add all Dutch freeware routes to consist blueprints for the Dutch GTWs so they can now show up as AI and quickdrive consists automatically

- Changed reverser from percentage to A-0-V in the HUD

- Fixed some brake controls that were not set to apply to consist

- Corrected all brake blueprint data to be consistent with other ChrisTrains models

- Updated dynamic braking blueprints

- Re-wrote and simplified the combined throttle / brake controller. It now has correct notches for 10% (tempomaat), 0% (off), -10% (brake 1) and -20% (remcrit) with linear control outside those ranges.

- Fixed an error in the motor wagon blueprints where the train brake and dynamic brake controls were missing (!)

- Reduced camera sway/jolt movement in the cab

- Made second camera view in cab tilt slightly downwards

- Flipped the motor wagon in the consist blueprints it was in backwards originally

Scripting

=========

- New ATB-EG and ATB-NG functions to match all other recently-updated trains

- E shortcut now zeros out throttle/brake controller

- MUCH more prototypical performance under acceleration and braking, from newly-collected real-world test runs of EMU and both types of DMU from various drivers across the Dutch networks. You know who you are - Thank you !

- Updated logic for manual use of pneumatic brakes now correctly overrides throttle control and requires manual throttle reset in order to gain traction again

- Added holding brake when stopped

- Emergency brake now requires correct reset procedure with pneumatic brake handle and optionally ATB-release (if triggered by ATB)

- Added throttle smoothing/averaging

- Added dynamic brake smoothing/averaging

- If the reverser is set to 0 it now requires a throttle reset before power can be applied

- New scripting around the re-written throttle/brake handle

- More efficient code for cruise/tempomaat display function

- Added a traction block indication to the MFD

- New, up-to-date headlight functions including new high/full beam headlights - the headlights in the GTW are now based on the driver being in the cab. There is no longer an "off" position

- New, up-to-date driver figure logic

- Pantograph animation logic now much more efficient doesn t try to continuously animate pantograph every frame

- Cab lighting now visible from outside when cab lights are on

- New controls for passenger area lighting. Passengers are not present and wagons are now unlit when parked.

- Corrected the cab braking / traction meter in Dutch and German versions

- The second set of rear lights on the Capital Metro version actually function as brake lights in the real train added that functionality to the model

- New local master destination list for all Dutch versions with massively expanded range of stations and messages, and destination pre-setting in the wagon number.

- Added destination pre-setting to Thurbo, ODEG and CapMetro versions but they have their own custom lists of destinations

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Dürfte nur die SBB Version betreffen, siehe #555

Also nach dem Changelog sollte schon einiges verändert sein, nicht nur bei der Thurbo Version. Die Midlife Updates von Christrains sind immer sehr umfangreich und bringen die Addons wieder etwas mehr in die aktuelle Zeit.

Ich finde es allgemein sehr löblich, dass er sowas macht. Sieht man selten, dass in dem Umfang noch Jahre später kostenlose Updates erstellt werden.