Beiträge von Kim_olesen1

tom87

I’ve been thinking about some of the issues you bring up. Now i am just going to suggest something. You are very welcome to shoot it down right away, i am just thinking out loud here…

I think if we did set up a kind of system where only assets from easily available sources were used. And not too many of them. A kind of pool of payware plus a bit of freeware (perhaps even freeware that the freeware-developers would allow distribution off) that were to be used in future route projects. Plus ofcourse costum made assets made for a route.

If route builders could tone down on ultra realism, and keep the asset situation simple, preferably using only a list of payware available on steam, then more would be willing to pay.

I know i would!!! Also for prices higher than what is the usual route price.

The thing about keeping the asset situation simple is necesary because if i bought a route i would not be accepting milkbottles and missing textures from obscure (or closed down) webpages. Also remember that it if you take money for a route, you will have to offer support, and in that regard making the asset situation simple, will simplify support and have less people demand a refund.

What would i be willing to pay…good question. 50€ would be my max i think.

Again, just thinking out loud. Doesn’t have to be ultra-realistic. Simple asset situation. You have my money.

I would still very much hear Matthias answer, because both of us are making assumptions.

While i understand what tom87 says, i think we also should appreciate what dillemas there are in this. Take H-HH. There is a version 3, but a version 4 is already in public beta over at Railworks Austria. So what version should 3dzug make scenarios for?

Also take in account that 3dzug very like have sales outside the users of this forum, including sales to new users. If only users who post here bought their products, i doubt there would be much of a business. So in effect it would mean that the included scenarios will only work for very experienced users who like to hunt down assets.

After all it’s only 4 scenarios. There are so many skilled scenariobuilders in this community, so there will be a steady flow for whatever deluxe versions there are. And if you want to use your new train in an older scenario, there’s always locoswap.

I think it would be enlightening to hear matthias.gose thoughts on this.

ChrisTrains Good news!!!

The most important thing in regards to signals (apart from them showing the aspects) is that the aspects can actually be seen. I am in 100% agreement with BR-218

tom87 Thanks for the Matt quote. 👍

rasender-roland

As far as i understand: Sifa is gone and ETCS redone so it is not like ETCS in real life. Different screen etc…

I can live without full start procedures. I never play with start procedures actually. But i would never enjoy TSC without realistic pzb and sifa. Removing those would be the death of it, and several thousand € burned, for me.

I wonder if the two SBB addons i bought from Steam (the Gothard Bahn and the Lake Constance route) will be downgraded the next time i connect my TSC pc to the internet….

The ZUB on these wasn’t good anyway. No braking curve or Frei Taste implemented, but still i would never use those again if it happened.

tom87 Well this is not the fault of the developers. So no sense in haggling them. This is a stupid move from SBB. One we HOPE will not catch on with anyone else!

Well imagine this:

TSW users just got their Luzern route DOWNGRADED from what they paid for. And yes that could absolutely happen with any content bought on steam. And everytime steam got allowed on the net, your content would be updated to a “simple control” version, and you would have to reainstal/mod the trains you want to drive after each update. Possible, but a nightmare.

And i guess laws could be passed that forbade simulations to implement train protection systems.

Zitat von tom87

Just imange DB or ÖBB doing this and the consequenses for the simulators? Just wow....

It would be the death of train simming.

ChrisTrains

Theoretically, could you do a fictive repaint and sell that fully featured?

Edit: you answered that already. A fictive 185 repaint or something like that, would that be a possibility?

Anyway, this ofcourse is the death of Swiss train simming. Such a shame.

From ChrisTrains

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"As the Stadler GTW mid-life update is now very close to release, I have to pass on some sad news. You may have read about this elsewhere in the TSC community, but recently SBB modified all the license agreements with developers of models for all train simulator games. I don’t know if anyone really knows what happened to cause them to do this, but the short version is this: for me to remain legal with my SBB license, I am now forbidden from including anything other than than the most basic driving functions, in and model that has anything to do with Swiss rail operators.

This means no SIFA and no PZB, among other things. This does not just affect me. It has already affected Paul Mersel's TrainWorx, and is also going to affect all Swiss game content from other developers (for example Rivet Games) if it hasn't already.

What this means for the GTW update is that the Thurbo GTW will have SIFA and PZB disabled in this release, and all future releases, until SBB reconsiders their position.

This isn't anything to do with the use of the SBB brand, and SBB haven't made any public statement as to why they have made this decision.

But the wording of the new license agreement has less to do with specific systems in the train, and more to do with a general requirement that someone cannot learn how to fully start and operate any train on the Swiss network, simply from a simulation game.

Specifically they require that no information screens are accurate or functional (in terms of menus, buttons etc), and that only accelerating and braking be allowed by the players.

Further than that, I'm not going to speculate the reasons why they have made these decisions.

Realistically I only had two options. I could either comply with the updated SBB requirements, or I could remove the Thurbo GTW from the pack completely. While I understand this is disappointing to Swiss rail enthusiasts, there is nothing I can do about this, and no amount of comments, emails or support tickets will result in me re-activating these functions in the model. I have to comply with the terms of my SBB licensing agreement, or I could face legal action.

All other versions of the GTW in the pack remain unaffected."

Realistically; has anyone ever stolen a train and driven it with the knowledge of a simulation? I highly doubt it!!! After all there is so much more to driving a train than ZUB and Sifa. And there is a huge difference from using a keyboard to being at a Fahrpult. Also what’s stopping developers to make a DB BR 189 (or other trains that run on the Swiss network) with ZUB? That would be outside SBBs licencing anyway, so players could still drive with it. Just not on a SBB branded train.

Also, in a time where train drivers are desperately in shortage, simulations is one of the things that actually recruits them. In light of that, the new policy from SBB seems counterproductive.

Theoretically you can still live in Denmark with “nur Bargeld”. But already now there are stores and shops that only accept cards. I don’t think i know anyone who only use cash. Most people here don’t even carry a single coin with them.

The only time i bring cash is if i travel in Germany/Austria.

@Julia and anyone else who do not understand how e-trade transactions are actually handled:

The shop (Railforge in this case) never sees your creditcard details. They are encrypted when you input them. It’s handled through a payment gateway that Railforge simply pays to use. And at the root it is NO different than Paypal. And it is also no different than when you use your card at a Tankstelle in Kassel or Copenhagen. Indeed they could even be using the same gateway. Paypal is simply an extra layer, which is why some e-shops will rather just use one solution. Less solutions to pay for.

And yes, in a moment someone will say, “but it’s Railforges home page”. But really the payment part of the homepage is a “skin” that personalises the frontend of the payment gateway to be uniform with the rest of the homepage. Indeed som e-shops don’t even bother to do this. When you go the payment you are simply directed out of the homepage.

Are you sure TSC is set to use your new GraKa?

Don’t forget that on some routes it’s not enough to copy in the Time Of Day files. Sometimes they must be renamed as well.

Ist ja auch “nur” ein Spiel. No need for every single track and switch to be exactly correct in regards to a specific date. At least not for me. I know i am going to enjoy v4. I did try my hand on v3 but somehow there was always signal problems for me on that one, and i haven’t played the original route since about 2017. So it will almost be like getting a new one for me.

(Perhaps this belongs in the Meckerecke….) OT but what is it with Germans and credit/debit cards? I don’t get the resistance. I hate having to carry around cash. I’ve never ever had one single problem with my visa or mastercard. And i’ve had them since i was 18 years, so that is over 30 years.

In fact the only problem i ever have is when i am in some restaurants in Germany/Austria and the waiter says nur Bargeld.

My fave anecdote is some years ago when i was making a payment in a shop in Melsungen. I used contactless apple pay. The woman at the cash register literally jumped out of her seat when i “magically” paid by holding my phone close to the card terminal. She actually asked “wie hat die das getan”, looking at me like i hacked the system. Both she, and the two people in the line behind me had never even seen that done before.

We’ve just come home from a week in Croatia and three days in Prag. We didn’t pay cash one single time. Seriously, accusing business owners in Romania of credit card fraud seems pretty harsh…

I think you are MUCH more likely to get pickpocketet in Paris, than to be frauded by Railforge.