You can edit the Engine_Simulation_ICE1.bin file. Search for MaxForcePercentOfVehicleWeight.
You can decrease the value by about 20% to increase the braking distance.
You will have to do some tests to adjust ...
Yep, I did it with the last version to get the values to correspond to the real ones. Just wanted to make sure they were actually correct ones since 3DZUG didn't change to that.
Although I really like much of the changes it seems like the brakes are still too strong.
Real values:
Stopping distance from 250km / h with rapid braking (Mg): 2300m
Stopping distance from 160km / h with full brake (VB): 925m
In Sim:
Stopping distance from 250km / h with rapid braking (Mg): 1790m (28% error)
Stopping distance from 160km / h with full brake (VB): 780m (19% error)
Since 3DZUG didn't change this perhaps my sources are incorrect? Any drivers that have better info?
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The DB had in the past the "Zugradar" available for PC or as in App, but it turned down in 2018. It was GPS or timetable based, linked with the current information in the DB Navigator-App.
Nowadays there are some other websites online for the DB, but none official:
https://www.zugverendung.com/db-deutsche-bahn
https://www.zugfinder.net/de/livemap-europa
You may just use Google for some websites.
A very useful idea, but in Germany a comparable system does not exist (if I recommend correctly). There are only the dispatchers who may advise the drivers and let them know if there is a slow train in front or something.
Thanks for the links! I presume these are for passenger trains (S-bahn, RE, IC etc) only?
Is it worth making such complex calculations for a simulated vehicle?
Probably not, but I'm a physics student so this is fun to me 
Thanks for the explanation though, very interesting. I presume by your explanation you drive (or did drive) trains in real life?
So if one assumes an initial speed of 160 km / h, it is a matter of trains that have the appropriate braking equipment and appropriate braking percentages. A reduction from 160 Km/h to 100 Km/h, even if only noticed at the last moment, certainly no longer causes a sweat, a Vr 0 more likely. Especially with Vr 0 there is no longer any hesitation, but usually started to brake by means of rapid braking, also to activate the magnetic rail brake. In order to decelerate from 160 km / h to 100 km / h, a corresponding service brake position is certainly sufficient to keep the GPA below 115 km / h (safety reserve).
I should've clarified that I was referring to the 3DZUG BR401 (with my updated brakes to achieve stopping distance of 900-950m in VB, *not* with Mg-bremse according to information I got from drivers at drehscheibe-foren). To brake from 160-100 km/h in 1000m is quite comfortable as you say, but the addition of the GPA "check" requires some harder braking because you need to shed 72% of the kinetic energy change in half the distance (2000hz magnet trips above 120km/h in 515m). (160^2 - 120^2)/(160^2 - 100^2) ~ 0.72.
But of course it is perfectly doable as drivers have to do it every day.
It was just surprising/difficult for me because I wasn't used to it.
"a corresponding service brake position is certainly sufficient". What is this "service brake position"? 1 bar or VB (1.5 bar)?
Excuse the English:
I wish there was something like the "Realtimetrains" website for German trains so you could see the actual times the train arrived/departed and also you can see freight trains, that way you can make the most realistic scenario.
By the way: In Sweden (my home country) the drivers have iPad / tablet apps called "Green Speed" which sees the trains in front of the driven train, keeps the driven trains GPS location and also has the timetable. From that it calculates a "green speed" so that the train doesn't have to keep Vmax but can coast / keep a lower speed for environmental / economical benefits. If the train is behind schedule the advisory speed is the full allowed speed but if the train is ahead of schedule a lower speed is advised for the above reasons.
Do DB (or other train operating companies) have something like this?
Yeah, I did some calculations/testing from the GPA tables.
In the worst case where you apply brakes just at the Lf6/Zs3v from 160km/h for a 100km/h speed restriction the deceleration needed is (Vmax = 120km/h) calculated as:
Braking distance: S = v_1T/2 + (v_1^2 - v_2^2)/2a, T ~ 4s (4 seconds for the electric brakes to build up and the brake cylinders to reach demanded pressure)
S = 1000m - 485m (2000hz magnet location from distant sign/signal) = 515m
a = (v1^2 - v2^2)/2(S - vT/2) = (160^2 - 120^2)/((2*(3.6^2)*(515m - 2*160/3.6))) ~ 1m/s^2 !
That's almost fullbrake (VB) territory, probably not the most comfortable for the passengers. xD
More realistically you might have time to apply the brakes so that they have achieved full retardation before passing the sign/signal, if so step 5 or 6 to be safe should be enough. But as FraPre said, it might cause some "white knuckles"/sweating, so it is best to know of the restriction from route knowledge/"buchfahrplan"/ebula as mentioned ;).
Thanks for the information. I checked inside the editor and noticed one of the magnets were called GPA-something so it makes sense that they correspond to Geschwindigkeitsprüfabschnitt.
Man, it's not always so easy to avoid the emergency brakes hehe. When driving at 160 km/h and passing a Zs3v distant display it can be quite tricky to throttle down and brake sufficiently in time, I feel. Maybe because the LOD-visibility of the signals are not that great (DTG signals are terrible for this since they don't seem to even have LOD) so you only see what speed is announced maybe 100m before the signal and end up having to brake harshly (step 5 or 6 on the BR401). I guess route knowledge comes into play here.
I'm sure whether to post this in the support section or here because I don't think it is a bug but rather a correctly modelled function in TS addons with PZB.
Sometimes when the speed drops significantly (>= 40km/h) but there is only a Lf6 sign and no PZB 1000hz magnet, there will still be an emergency brake application if the trains speed has not dropped sufficiently when close to the Lf7 sign.
Some examples of this are the 150-110km/h speed change north of Osnabrück and the 160-120km/h speed change just outside Weissenthurm when traveling from Koblenz to Köln (update 1.22 beta). I have had this happen in the vR BR101, the 3DZUG ICE1 and I think the RWA Railjet 1116.
I checked out the section where this happens on the Köln-Koblenz and there are 2 or 3 magnets (couldn't see what type) a few hundred meters (maybe 400) before the Lf7 sign.
I have never heard that this was a function of PZB90, does anyone have more information about this function/behavior?
Feel free to respond in German if you don't speak English, I feel that Google translate actually works quite well, and in the worst case I have Germans friends on Steam that can translate
One of the first cab rides / führerstandsmitfahrt I watched on youtube was Führerstandsmitfahrt: Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz-Köln by the youtuber/driver Reptifreak09. When DTG recently released Frankfurt-Koblenz I wanted to recreate this journey in TS2020.
I'm finally finished with part 1 of this project (from Mainz to Koblenz) and it will be available here on Rail-Sim when it has been approved by the moderators (hopefully). What I like about this approach is that you get to experience almost exactly (or as close as is possible in a simulator) what the real driver experienced on that journey. So the same train meets and the same signal aspects (if you drive as fast/slow as the driver does). It makes it a bit more interesting in my opinion compared to scenarios where the trains are based on the real timetable, since in the real world not all trains are on time.
Has anyone tried to do this for another train journey/video? I would highly recommend it! Although it can be a bit tricky sometimes because of the AI-controller in TS2020 so you might need to have the same train terminate in a portal and then have a new train finish the AI-journey etc (and some other "cheats" to make it look/behave like the real thing).
Awesome!
Okay, I did some changes to the blueprint-files.
1. I changed the weight of the Tz to 80t (which is correct for GTO-converters)
2. I changed the weight of all the wagons to 57.4t to achieve 849t for the whole train (sources are so bad for this, wikipedia is unreliable as usual and says the difference between empty and loaded is over 100 tonnes (can't be right? :D), but I found an accident report for the Thun collision and some other sources that gave this number)
Change 1 + 2 gave 0-100km/h acceleration time of 1min10s (very close to the numbers i read) and 0-200km/h of 3min10s (slightly faster but that's because the drag value is too low or TS2020 being dumb)
3. Changed dynamic brake force so that it is 2 x 150 kN.
4. Changed deceleration values of Tz to 80 (from 130) and wagons to 135 (from 200). These numbers were based on the BrH for R-brake and then increased to achieve stopping distance of 900-950m from 160km/h (vs 750m before).
Change 1-2 means the Step 1A-2 will give higher deceleration due to E-brake force/weight and change 2-4 means you may need to apply more braking to achieve 0.5m/s^2 for LZB etc.
If anyone has some feedback for these numbers I would appreciate it, and as mentioned previously these changes might conflict with how the developers intended the scripting to work (for example max dynamic brake is 50% so the value has to be doubled in the sim-file vs reality) or maybe they are simply wrong (I doubt they are very wrong though).
Maybe I'm the only one that cares this much about the right values? xD
I noticed that the weights for all the wagons ICE_WON1-14 are 75 tonnes, I thought they were closer to 50 tonnes (printed on the side of the wagon is 47t,48t and 60t for class 1, class 2 and Bistro).
Maybe this is for a reason and all the forces were scaled up (so that the acceleration/retardation is prototypical) so I did some acceleration tests.
From 0-100km/h, 0-200km/h and 0-250km/h it takes 1min30s, 4min0s and 6min41s respectively, while according to this website it takes 1min6s, 3min20s and 6min30s. Maybe the train is modelled after IGTBT convertors and the numbers on the page are with GTO converters (higher power) but it could also be explained by the weights being too high (and drag coefficient too low since the 0-250km/h timing is almost correct). Is this just an error or is there some reason behind the different weights?
I also noticed that the stopping distance is much shorter than real life. With full service (VB) the stopping distance from 160km/h in reality is 900-950m (I got this from drehscheibe-online), I measured 750m. I think this might be because the Mg + R bremsgewicht has been used rather than simply R. This gives realistic emergency brake (NB) distance but it will make the normal braking (step 1A-7) unrealistically high. If the mass-values were lowered to the real ones the electric brake will decelerate more but if the MaxBrakeforceByWeight was lowered a bit the stopping distance can be made to be realistic (900-950m) for normal use (no magnetic track brake simulation).
From S = vT/2 + v^2/2a, where a = retardation, T = 4s brake application time, you get
a(950m) = 1.15m/s^2
a(900m) = 1.22m/s^2
For comparison, the retardation in the sim is almost 1.5m/s^2 (!)
Alternatively you can script the full service (VB) to be lower than emergency and get both realistic VB-distance and realistic Mg+R distance.
I'm not 100% sure of all the numbers and maybe the websites were not correct so I wanted to ask this here before I mail support.
/William
I bought the route yesterday (even though I usually stay away from German DTG routes ..) and I noticed a few things with the signaling / speed signs:
1. When arriving Frankfurt Airport from Frankfurt HBF, is the LZB really correct here? It seems by the cable on the tracks it should start around Neiderrad but instead it starts around the tunnels after Frankfurt Stadion station.
2. The LZB cuts out completely right before Frankfurt Airport so you have the speed limit at 220 km / h but no LZB : Don the Schnellfartstrecke and of course no speed limit warning for the 130 km / h turn off. This has to be wrong right? I should say I tested this on my own scenario with the vR BR101 so maybe it is a conflict between the vR LZB and DTG.
3. No warning for the 80 km / h speed limit at Mainz Römisches Theater (in the direction of Mainz Hbf)
4. I had a red signal after Bingen Stadt and the distance between the Ks 2 / Vr 0 (can't remember which version) and the red signal was 650 meters! Is this really realistic? Stopping from 160 km / h was difficult
That's what I feared, Maik.
I presume VirtualRailroads are the ones that have access to source code and are "responsible" for patching the products?
(I ask because I know you were the main person in the scripting/physics development of the ExpertLine vehicles)
Sorry if this has been asked before but I tried searching the forums, although not speaking German makes it hard to choose the right keywords 
I recently noticed that Br101 has a similar brake handle to Br185 (and also Br182) where the driver brake handle has more notches than just 4.7, 4.5, 4.2, 4.0, 3.8 bar and MAX.
Looking at the side of the brake handle the notches should (I think) be:
F, 1A, 1B, 2-7, VB and SB.
I haven't found a specific source for the BR101 but since BR101 was developed by Adtranz that then was bought up by Bombardier my thinking was that they might have similar designs.
From this document I found the following values for the BR185:
1A: 4.75 bar
1B: 4.6 bar
VB: 3.4 bar
I'm not sure how the 2-7 steps are arranged, but perhaps they are simply even steps between 4.6 and 3.4? If so they could look like:
2: 4.42, 3: 4.25, 4: 4.08, 5: 3.91, 6: 3.74, 7: 3.57
My plan was to edit the locomotive to resemble these figures more closely, mostly for private use but if they turn out to be correct (my assumption might be wrong) I may upload the fix.
I went into RW_Tools and changed the MaxCylinderPressure and PressureForMaxForce 51.06 (1.6x2.2 bar in PSI), FullServicePressureDrop to 23.21 (1.6bar in PSI) and FullServicePressure to 49.31 (3.4bar in PSI) in the simulation .bin-file to get the right pressure values for the brakepipe.
I then went into the locomotive .bin-file and added the 3 extra notches, but here is where I encountered some issues. If I simply duplicate some of the identifier names I can get the modifications to work in TS but the brakepipe gauge gets stuck at 5bar.
One other issue is that using the range 0-0.9 for release and fullservice the values for each notch does not seem to be linear and it's impossible to reach the last few notches before VB (like 6 and 7), even 0.89 is far away from 3.57.
1. Is there a way to fix this issue? Perhaps by increasing the range so that min value is 0 and max value is 2 or 4?
2. Can you change the identifiers without having access to the .lua source code scripts or is this a deadend?
3. Can you fix the brake gauge without having access to source code?
4. Does anyone know the real values or perhaps I even misunderstood the document and 4.5,4.2 etc is the correct values?
Adding extra notches to the dynamicbrake did not break the simulation however and I was able to get the "blended brake" to still work.
Ah interesting, I didn't know about the BR 440. Thanks for the tip!
The player train is a vR BR101 + 11 SBB Eurofima wagons.
EDIT: It is the EC train from Hamburg-Altona to Interlaken Ost
I've made a scenario for the Bremen-Münster route but because I don't own the Stadler Flirt 3 and the Br 642 I'm currently using a RSSLO Talent EMU and the default RE-trains in place of the NWB and Eurobahn trains respectively. I don't mind myself because I focus more on the driving but I imagine others might feel it is jarring with the wrong trains. The scenario has maybe 80% realism in terms of AI passenger trains following real timetables. Some freight trains are slotted in fictitiously.
The scenario has quite interesting driving. When leaving Bremen you follow a NWB train until overtaking it at Syke forcing you to stop at red signals if you don't slow down. You also call at Diepholz and when approaching Münster you follow a ERB train into the station which will prevent you from being too early.
I was thinking of uploading one version with just the vR Br101 + default and freeware stock and one with payware prototypical stock because that's what I'd prefer when downloading a scenario, but I'd need someone to swap in the NWB flirt 3 and the ERB Br 642 to do this, so I guess I'm basically making this thread to hear if people think this makes a big difference to them.
Haha, yeah if you don't like long stretches of just forests, northern Sweden (at least inland) is probably not your cup of tea. It is named the Taiga for a reason so I'm not surprised it resembles parts of Russia.
Southern Sweden has more things going on and you can definitely find routes that look very similar to perhaps northern Germany. I will say that the Malmbanan in northern Sweden looks spectacular, maybe the Norwegian part called Ofotbanen has it beat in scenic beauty (more mountains). The trains there are quite interesting too with 68 wagon 9000 tonne trains.
EDIT: I have a few questions about the Münster-Bremen.
I changed out the ICE train for the vR Br101 + steuerwagen in ICE to Bremen (steuerwagen facing forward) in a cloned "ICE to Bremen" career scenario and encountered some issues.
1. When slowing down for the 60km/h switch at Ringeln (I think, can't remember but it was maybe 10km before LZB Ende after the tracks split) the LZB will indicate speed reduction to 160 and then 130 but then it drops further to 60km/h very quickly and the LZB jumps down instead of smoothly dropping which causes you to have to brake harshly not to get a penalty brake application. Is this a bug due to the route, me changing the rolling stock or an inherent problem in the way Train Simulator gives information about upcoming speed reductions (maybe it can only give 2 signals/speeds ahead so when passing the 160 it has to drop very far to 60km/h)?
2. After Osnabrück when the LZB starts again, after it ends there is no Ende indication it simply stops.
Slightly late to the party but man, hearing Sweden and TSG in the same sentence made me very excited. Too bad it didn't pan out. I didn't read the whole thread (and google translate is not the best) but was it a route or rolling stock that was imagined, Maik?
If it was a route I imagine the completely different signals/signalling system (PZB/LZB vs ATC) might be daunting, but there are some interesting routes in the north that don't use ATC like the Inlandsbanan (Inland Line). At least most sections of the 1000km line don't use it. If you want to go above 80km/h however ATC is almost guaranteed.
A positive thing about Sweden (maybe it is the case for Germany too, I don't know) is that documents with line speeds/signals are publicly available (called "linjebok") and I know you could order maps of stations etc for free (at least 10 years ago). ATC *might* also not be extremely different to build if you already have working PZB and LZB simulations.
